tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post2261114186969145227..comments2024-03-05T05:38:22.024-05:00Comments on Left at the Gate: Derby Top TenAlan Mannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-69546303601411841982008-03-25T10:15:00.000-04:002008-03-25T10:15:00.000-04:00Alan said-"I can't profess to be an expert on his ...Alan said-"I can't profess to be an expert on his sermons, but he has apparently has earned a great deal of respect amongst whites and blacks alike, including President Clinton" <BR/><BR/>So does David Duke,Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson and many other haters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-17369077780566353652008-03-25T00:32:00.000-04:002008-03-25T00:32:00.000-04:00>>The reason press coverage has been one sided is ...>>The reason press coverage has been one sided is because there is on comparison between the two.<BR/><BR/>Well my friend, at least we agree on one thing. There is no comparison. McCain appeared with and proudly accepted the endorsement of a nut whose beliefs are well outside the mainstream, and he did so merely to pander to the right, as he is doing with his sudden rightward shifts on other issues. On the other hand, Obama has repudiated the remarks made by his <I>former</I> pastor that were considered to be offensive (anti-Americanism can be in the eyes of the beholder, and I personally found some of his statements less objectionable than others may have). But I absolutely support his refusal to disavow the man's record over 20 years over a couple of minutes posted on You Tube and shown (repeatedly) on FOX. I can't profess to be an expert on his sermons, but he has apparently has earned a great deal of respect amongst whites and blacks alike, including President Clinton (which may not mean as much to you as it would to me).Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-68445111096688324792008-03-24T09:45:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:45:00.000-04:00Alan,The reason press coverage has been one sided ...Alan,<BR/><BR/>The reason press coverage has been one sided is because there is on comparison between the two.<BR/><BR/>McCain met Hagee once when he accepted his endorsement, has not worshipped in his Church for 20 years and was not married by the nutcase.<BR/><BR/>Religion has no place in politics to begin with, and this controversy has nothing to do with religion. <BR/><BR/>Wright's message is socialist and anti American at its root, so its relevant that a candidate for president is his congregant and family like friend. <BR/><BR/>There is no comparison, and therefore no reason press coverage should be "balanced".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-20258151022521303162008-03-23T20:24:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:24:00.000-04:00Bob - You're quoting excerpts on Hagee that appear...Bob - You're quoting excerpts on Hagee that appear without sources on Wikipedia. The thing about him being the first gentile in San Antonio to receive an award from the B'Nai Brith is almost laughable. I'm confident enough in my Googling ability to wonder aloud if the San Antonio B'Nai Brith even exists. The Christians United For Israel you mention as if it's a mainstream organization is a Christian evangelical Zionist organization made up by loonies like Hagee. They oppose any two-state solution and oppose any division of Jerusalem because they believe that a Christian Messiah will appear there. <BR/><BR/>The trip to Libya with Farrakhan you mention was a mission, along with Jesse Jackson, to negotiate, successfully, the release of a pilot shot down over that country. President Reagan praised the mission afterwards. <BR/><BR/>I'm not defending Wright's statements, but I think your comments were one-sided and needed to be clarified. They've both said some wacky things, they've both done some good. But the press coverage has been overwhelmingly one-sided.Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-16448887106293150992008-03-23T20:06:00.000-04:002008-03-23T20:06:00.000-04:00I am proudly Roman Catholic and therefore no suppo...I am proudly Roman Catholic and therefore no supporter of Hagee, but if you can not see the difference between accepting an endorsement from a crazy man and worshipping at the Church of a crazy man for 20 years (including calling that man a friend as close as family) then I can not help you.<BR/><BR/>No comparison.<BR/><BR/>It's a matter of judgement, and Obama showed poor judgement befriending and defending this man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-36549569631449114902008-03-23T14:43:00.000-04:002008-03-23T14:43:00.000-04:00A little more than guilt by association handride. ...A little more than guilt by association handride. Obama has been going there for 20 years. He takes his children to hear this kind of garbage. I guess that if where his wife learned not to be proud of this country. If guilt by association lost its mojo in the 60's why did Bush HAVE TO appologize for giving a speech at Bob Jones University. Why does every republican live in fear of being labeled a racist ? Here is a little about Hagee and the Jewish community.<BR/><BR/>Hagee has received numerous honors and accolades from national Jewish organizations for his support of Israel. Hagee was awarded the "Humanitarian of the Year" award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. It was the first time in the history of the San Antonio that this award was given to a gentile. Hagee was presented the ZOA Israel Award by U.N. Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick. This award was given by the Jewish Community of Dallas, Texas.He was presented the ZOA Service Award by Texas Governor Mark White. Houston Mayor Kathy Whitmire issued a special proclamation in his honor declaring Pastor John C. Hagee Day.<BR/><BR/>Hagee has been to Israel twenty-two times and has met with every Prime Minister since Menachem Begin. John Hagee Ministries has given more than $8.5 million to bring Soviet Jews from the former Soviet Union to Israel. Hagee is also the Founder and Executive Director of "A Night to Honor Israel", an event which expresses solidarity between Christians and Jews on behalf of Jerusalem, the State of Israel and the United States.<BR/><BR/>On February 7, 2006, Hagee and 400 leaders from the Christian and Jewish communities formed a new national organization called Christians United For Israel (CUFI). This organization is focused on communicating the need to defend Israel, in light of Biblically based matters, with members of the United States Congress.<BR/><BR/>Obama's mentor Rev Wright went with Farrakham to Libia to meet with Gadhafi. The parish also gave an award to Farrakham. Enough said.<BR/><BR/>To Steve in NC. I beieve the senators you mentioned are gone now. Two of them are dead. The only remaining ex KKK member is Robert Byrd of Virginia. He is a democrat so he gets a pass. Also - you don't know anything about me so don't say I have never done anything to combat racism.<BR/>See what the Obama camp did to G. Ferraro. Is she a racist ?<BR/><BR/>Bob from NJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-56152349961690269302008-03-22T23:12:00.000-04:002008-03-22T23:12:00.000-04:00Thought this artile was great - from Marilyn Lane ...Thought this artile was great - from Marilyn Lane at Saratoga Today -<BR/><BR/>"Governor Paterson’s great grandfather on his mother’s side was a blacksmith. Like many blacks of his era, he worked with horses. He put shoes on them and one of the horses he shod was Upset. Upset delivered Man 0’ War his only lifetime defeat, right here in Saratoga, in the Sanford Memorial on August 13, 1919. Upon recognizing the significance of defeating “de mostest hoss that ever wuz”; Upset’s owner, H. P. Whitney staked all of the people responsible for the horse. It was not the usual stake; he bought the trainer, the breeder and three or four stable-hands houses. One such house was for the blacksmith, Patterson’s great-grandfather. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The new house enabled Governor Paterson’s ancestors to move from, “not necessarily squalor, but certainly a giant step forward.” The brownstone was in what is now the Fort Green section of Brooklyn. It is the home where Governor Paterson returned after his birth.<BR/><BR/>Now, these are the kinds of stories that exist all through this great sport. Horses can and do change lives everyday. If it were not for horses and some of the acts that people with horses perform there are a lot of us who would be differently placed. Whitney’s generous acknowledgement to Upset’s blacksmith may well have been the conduit which provided opportunity for Basil Paterson, the Governor’s father to forge his own illustrious political career. " <BR/><BR/>Full article at:<BR/>http://www.saratogatodayonline.com/content/view/825/2/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-19824389455209435892008-03-22T20:05:00.000-04:002008-03-22T20:05:00.000-04:00WOW!The Liberals are angry.I like when people poin...WOW!The Liberals are angry.<BR/><BR/>I like when people point out bad behavior of others to justify the behavior of there own.<BR/><BR/>It's OK to critize your own.<BR/><BR/>Who will be the first Liberal to criticize Obama for attending a Church for 20 years with such a hateful(and racist)Pastor?<BR/><BR/>And please don't tell me he had know idea.<BR/><BR/>Anyone know when the Democratic Mayor of Detroit will step down?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-78925145131980705032008-03-22T18:47:00.000-04:002008-03-22T18:47:00.000-04:00>>Alan - you get too political here.That's from a ...>>Alan - you get too political here.<BR/><BR/>That's from a week of pent-up frustration from spending a week with a hotel TV on which the only news station I could get was FOX. Every time I put it on, they were talking about Obama and Jeremiah Wright. No talk of course about McCain, who appeared with John Hagee to proudly accept his endorsement. Hagee is a freaking raving lunatic, and <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q" REL="nofollow">check this out</A> if you're not aware of that. McCain has gotten a free pass on this from all the media, including the so-called liberal outlets; as he has on all of the hypocrisy that I mentioned in the post.Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-22941642210429609412008-03-22T16:21:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:21:00.000-04:00If "too political" isn't what you want friends, do...If "too political" isn't what you want friends, don't read this. <BR/><BR/>Anon - I thought the word from the slander mill was that Obama is a Muslim. But he's now in trouble for, ahem, being a regular at a church!<BR/><BR/>And he's a Marxist? Even though he alas won't back single-payer healthcare? Marx wrote that religion is the opiate of the masses (he lived before TV). So I guess that makes Obama a Marxist Christian Muslim junkie, right? Go call Sean Hannity!<BR/><BR/>Research, research. I heard white parishioners at Obama's church interviewed on the radio last week who feel well loved there. Wright, by the way, isn't the preacher there now. They said they didn't recognize their church from the media reports.<BR/><BR/>Has McCain ever given a speech distancing himself from the outspoken segrationists he shared a caucus with in the Senate (racists like Thurmond, Eastland, Stennis, Helms)? Has the white media ever demanded it? If you think that's no longer relevant, then you agree with Obama more than you know. But I guess tolerance and common sense is only allowed for white people, no?<BR/><BR/>I'm a Jew and have no fears about Obama. I read that he's actually been to Israel. And he noticed that there is more debate over the (lack of) wisdom of Likud policies than there is here. That's not anti-semitism, it is wisdom & courage. I challenge you to present evidence of Obama anti-semitism before making that terrible charge. If you, can, you'll peel this man's vote away from Obama in the NC primary in May. <BR/><BR/>There are lots of legitimate concerns about Obama, Clinton & McCain. I heard not a whimper from any of them about the Fed providing welfare for the millionaires at Bear Stearns while poor and middle class people with health calalmities get evicted. Does opposing corporate welfare make me a Marxist, too, or a free market champion? <BR/><BR/>I'm no McCain fan, but frankly, any of the three contenders would be a breath of fresh air. Anon, you voted for Bush, I trust. If so, you voted for a guy who spent his tour of duty in the National Guard not showing up because he was busy partying, and who has now tolerated, if not commissioned, torture. And McCain, who knows better, is tying himself to that man's disastrous policies because he thinks that's his ticket to power. Bullshit is a kind term for that.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for going on so long...you pressed my buttons big time. I HATE it when people who haven't done a thing to combat racism slander others with that label.steve in nchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04061356872686618093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-30981186386497758642008-03-22T15:39:00.000-04:002008-03-22T15:39:00.000-04:00Anon please google Hagee Mccain and just read what...Anon please google Hagee Mccain and just read whatever you want. Guilt by association lost its mojo in the 60's w/ McCarthy. You should stick to being anon... Go TOMCITOPatrick J Pattenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365169347148710377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-1791073499730712502008-03-22T15:18:00.000-04:002008-03-22T15:18:00.000-04:00Alan - you get too political here. John McCain's ...Alan - you get too political here. John McCain's bullshit express - please. You want bullshit - vote democratic. How is your racist buddy Obama. Nice church he belongs to. Both racist and anti semetic. He spends 20 years there and McCain is bullshit ? Obama is a Marxist. Do some research Alan. Stick to the horses please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-10305122964318079442008-03-22T13:55:00.000-04:002008-03-22T13:55:00.000-04:00DITTODITTOJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03874325506841146077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-35382739964177957992008-03-22T13:21:00.000-04:002008-03-22T13:21:00.000-04:00Welcome back. You were missed.chacWelcome back. You were missed.chacMutamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06744482812081269248noreply@blogger.com