tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post9132170830548647452..comments2024-03-05T05:38:22.024-05:00Comments on Left at the Gate: Big A Fatalities Draws Unwelcome AttentionAlan Mannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-52859663358144258632012-03-20T15:30:09.834-04:002012-03-20T15:30:09.834-04:00Slot players don't deserve to win any money. ...Slot players don't deserve to win any money. It's called natural selection. -jpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-88848227487421367182012-03-20T12:40:51.427-04:002012-03-20T12:40:51.427-04:00What don't you understand about cheap horses r...What don't you understand about cheap horses running with painkillers to mask pain and injuries breaking down. The purse structure is out of line with the product. NYRA could run a cards of 7500 claimers. Also - why are the horsemen the benefactors of lost slot money. Shouldn't that money go back to the slot players? They have no interest in horse racing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-56037666110220990672012-03-18T19:51:39.511-04:002012-03-18T19:51:39.511-04:00Kathy Guillermo, a PETA vice president, said at th...Kathy Guillermo, a PETA vice president, said at the time the group didn't consider the matter closed.<br /><br />"Racing itself is dangerous enough. This is a fictional representation of something and horses are still dying, and that to me is outrageous," she said.<br /><br />On Tuesday, Guillermo said PETA sent complaints about "Luck" to Arcadia police and an animal humane society in nearby Pasadena.<br /><br />"Three horses have now died and all the evidence we have gathered points to sloppy oversight, the use of unfit, injured horses, and disregard for the treatment of thoroughbreds," Guillermo said, calling for an immediate halt to filming.<br /><br />In related news PETA is staffed entirely by kooks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-24294433022311271162012-03-18T11:35:25.856-04:002012-03-18T11:35:25.856-04:00The long term solution is for NYRA to announce, pr...The long term solution is for NYRA to announce, pre-emptively, that they will install brand new surfaces on both Big A tracks including state of the art base and drainage systems. <br /><br />My preference is a winterized out track surface similar to the current inner, which would allow for a variety of distances and therefore more interesting racing in the winter.<br /><br />Then install AWT on the current inner track, whichever surface has proven best in colder environments. They should race on both surfaces in the winter, again allowing for more variety in handicapping angles while giving turf meant horses a winter option besides shipping south.<br /><br />Big A would be the only track with true dirt, AWT and Turf options.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-50118727459057292902012-03-18T11:29:23.722-04:002012-03-18T11:29:23.722-04:00I would like to see the entire list including trai...I would like to see the entire list including trainer and prior racing level before the breakdown race.<br /><br />If there are a lot of drop downs involved then place the blame with the purses, trainers and owners. <br /><br />But I still believe it is a statistical anomaly, when you divide the number of breakdowns by number of starters it will be statistically insignifant.<br /><br />This doenst mean I do not care, I certainly do, I just like to see fact based rather than knee jerk analysis. <br /><br />IF there is a problem take any steps necessary to correct it, but lets do the analysis first.<br /><br />The first logical step is to lower purses for the cheapest horses, that seems like a reasonable interim step.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-87287784925914615002012-03-17T01:40:46.045-04:002012-03-17T01:40:46.045-04:00http://www.drf.com/news/aqueduct-nyra-adjust-botto...http://www.drf.com/news/aqueduct-nyra-adjust-bottom-claim-level-purses-following-breakdownssteve in nchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04061356872686618093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-32695251147580926202012-03-16T22:10:12.463-04:002012-03-16T22:10:12.463-04:00Dirtyshirt - If "Luck" was going to brin...Dirtyshirt - If "Luck" was going to bring new fans to the track then "The Wire" must have led to an explosion of tourism to Baltimore.<br /><br />Naturally, Dirtyshirt, you who so magnaminously let stupid comments speak for themselves failed to mention that the OTHER two breakdowns in the series were suffered by horses participating in racing scenes.<br /><br />Way to cite the exception and try to make it the rule.<br /><br />Change your shirt.<br /><br />And your shorts. You messed yourself.Bill Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-73270869603416428282012-03-16T10:36:18.361-04:002012-03-16T10:36:18.361-04:00I didn't really like Luck that much. The intr...I didn't really like Luck that much. The intro was cool and it had plenty of style, but I thought the storylines were ridiculous and it portrayed racing in a largely negative light. It's true there is plenty not to like about horseracing, but Luck seemed to hit on all the dark stuff and didn't do it subtly. Anyway, they can spin it any way they want to but the show was cancelled not because of the breakdowns but because of the ratings. Do you really think HBO would have walked away from a couple of breakdowns if it were a hit show? -jpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-24507906315457506542012-03-16T01:20:52.515-04:002012-03-16T01:20:52.515-04:00Good to see that lazy ass Jerry Bossert finally do...Good to see that lazy ass Jerry Bossert finally do some work. Guy can't pick a winner to save his life. He should be embarrassed of himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-73823273800939239842012-03-15T23:09:16.118-04:002012-03-15T23:09:16.118-04:00Maybe horse racing should be finished. Everyone h...Maybe horse racing should be finished. Everyone here seems to only care about the trainers,the track personnel and their jobs. None of you are addressing the drugging of the horses and THEIR deaths. GREED has ruined racing just like it has this country. WHo stopped Dutrow from racing drugged up unfit horses?? Not any of you.junebug719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-18885083196014316892012-03-15T22:41:36.104-04:002012-03-15T22:41:36.104-04:00Bill D -
I usually let stupid comments speak for...Bill D - <br /><br />I usually let stupid comments speak for themselves, but in this case you need to be informed, because I'm sure you're repeating your opinion to anyone who will listen. <br /><br />Only 1 of the 3 fatalities occurred on the track, and the horse was sound and of racing age. The most recent death was a horse flipping in the barn and hitting his head. Freak accident; not "Unfit for the track - simulating racing conditions over and over again"<br /><br />Regardless, you must hate racing, because many horsemen will lose jobs, track revenue will drop, and new fans will stop coming out. Is that what you want?<br /><br />Think before you type.Dirtyshirtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-17523051109388519252012-03-15T21:54:39.052-04:002012-03-15T21:54:39.052-04:00And for what it's worth, Turfway has had one r...And for what it's worth, Turfway has had one racing-related fatality in the time that Aqueduct has had 16.Teresahttp://www.brooklynbackstretch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-5362998088212049852012-03-15T21:14:33.400-04:002012-03-15T21:14:33.400-04:00It's not a statistical anomaly. It is absolut...It's not a statistical anomaly. It is absolutely the increaased purses bringing in horses who shouldn't be racing anymore. The number of 7, 8 and 9 year olds I've seen on AQU cards this year rivals your average Turfway card. It's the law of unintended consequences at work.<br /><br />Speaking of fatalities - I absolutely hated "Luck" but I was explaining to a co-worker this morning it's no surprise about the fatalities there. Only horses unfit for the track would be used in this type of production. Unfit for the track - simulating racing conditions over and over again. Hmmm...I wonder what will happen?Bill Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-53591164306257198312012-03-15T19:49:48.068-04:002012-03-15T19:49:48.068-04:00All these deaths are investigated but we could use...All these deaths are investigated but we could use more transparency from NYRA in this regard.<br /><br />I believe this increase, from I believe 12 last year to now 16 this year is a statistical anomaly, considering the number of starters (due to purses) and races (due to weather) is up if they run the percentages it will not be significant.<br /><br />One good point I noticed elsewhere was the increased purses at the lower claiming levels should be examined. When the winning share is worth double the horse's value there is perhaps too much incentive to run a less than perfectly healthy animal. Put more money in the allowance races, 20k should be enough money for a bottom claimer, 29k is absurd.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-35491990637664815802012-03-15T12:57:04.862-04:002012-03-15T12:57:04.862-04:00The industry has to do a better job explaining to ...The industry has to do a better job explaining to these politicans that horse racing produces REVENUE for the state. All recent gov's from both parties are not fans of NYRA. This is the handwriting for the state to reduce the share of money from the casinos going directly to the tracks- Look at Ontario recently- Its a matter of time. Lets enjoy the good racing @ Belmont & Saratoga this year. I'm not sure how long this will last.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-26102677783916473952012-03-15T11:45:14.117-04:002012-03-15T11:45:14.117-04:00Alan
While Cuomo may be hostile to horse racing in...Alan<br />While Cuomo may be hostile to horse racing in general and NYRA in particular, shouldn't more of your outrage be directed at the death toll? These are in fact the athletes that we follow and love.<br /><br />Why hasn't there been more done to investigate the causes? Is it a random occurance? Is there a problem with the surface? If so, why haven't they switched to the main track already, its certainly been warm enough. Are the breakdowns in any particular class of race? Has the lucrative purse structure for cheaper claiming stock incentivized trainers to run horses of questionable fitness?<br /><br />These are all reasonable questions. And not too difficult to study for such a small set of races. Why aren't we asking them?Joe Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-16396932622271593272012-03-15T11:10:25.600-04:002012-03-15T11:10:25.600-04:00Genting is dropping big bucks into a project that ...Genting is dropping big bucks into a project that from all appearances will be utterly magnificent. They deserve the right to have some degree of non-compete within a geographical distance.Ultimate Vindicatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470568878641275382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-73452339682196954982012-03-15T11:05:26.725-04:002012-03-15T11:05:26.725-04:00Cuomo's convention center and casino plan will...Cuomo's convention center and casino plan will spell the end of racing at the Big A. RW has said there is no room for racing at the Big A with a convention center/casino. Everything Cuomo says should be viewed in this light. Winter racing will have to move to Belmont.jknoreply@blogger.com