tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post7239735910052364203..comments2024-03-05T05:38:22.024-05:00Comments on Left at the Gate: Uncle SchmoAlan Mannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-70846367304763710492011-04-15T14:31:44.910-04:002011-04-15T14:31:44.910-04:00jp, I stopped complaining when the guy next to me ...jp, I stopped complaining when the guy next to me told me to look at it as the second choice, third choice and big favorite running 1-2-3.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-36964517609238271732011-04-15T09:33:47.671-04:002011-04-15T09:33:47.671-04:00When is the last time a full field with 8-1 over 2...When is the last time a full field with 8-1 over 20-1 paid 90-1 in the triple? Yeah that must have sucked. -jpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-13203713268432965342011-04-14T22:16:06.918-04:002011-04-14T22:16:06.918-04:00Anon, I completly agree about transparency in all ...Anon, I completly agree about transparency in all industries.<br /><br />IF it eventually comes out that he had surgery than I will scream bloody murder, but until then I remain very skeptical that they could pull this off, unless of course the surgery was very, very, minor such a a throat procedure. Until then I treat it as pure rumor.<br /><br />As for him being the same price at your home track, not sure if you are overseas but if you are in the US the pool was comingled.<br /><br />There is someone betting BIG early money at NYRA the last month or so and you can take advantage.<br /><br />For the record I bet against Mo and caught the P3 and disappointing TRI, but not because of a rumored surgery, just because there was value elsewhere.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-43196059268899621592011-04-14T18:22:56.935-04:002011-04-14T18:22:56.935-04:00Sorry mom.
DirtySorry mom. <br /><br /><br />DirtyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-26765022967829867052011-04-14T17:29:19.592-04:002011-04-14T17:29:19.592-04:00really surprised they went with "GI infection...really surprised they went with "GI infection," i guess they figure most people who follow racing don't have much experience with horses, because it's pretty hard to not notice a horse with diarrhea or colic--then again, pletcher felt life at ten was fine and dandy too...so what do i know =/<br /><br />if it really is a GI thing, mo won't be training over the next few weeks or ready for the derby, that's for sure..oh wait, i mean, yeah, he'll be training like a tremendous machine and will win the derby by 100 lengths in world the record time of 1:48.2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-70449458210518875322011-04-14T17:16:45.377-04:002011-04-14T17:16:45.377-04:00And I had Shotgun Gulch ($25.40) in the feature at...And I had Shotgun Gulch ($25.40) in the feature at Keeneland, so good day for the good guys!Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-1059968080714924202011-04-14T17:13:36.961-04:002011-04-14T17:13:36.961-04:00woo hoo, way to go, Dirty!!!
btw, my mother doesn...woo hoo, way to go, Dirty!!!<br /><br />btw, my mother doesn't like your cursing. I told her you can't help yourself. :-)Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-83050286950966638502011-04-14T17:02:27.218-04:002011-04-14T17:02:27.218-04:00If they fucking take down the 7 in the 9th at gulf...If they fucking take down the 7 in the 9th at gulfstreampark I'm fucking gonna get rich. Please stewards please. I need the 11 at 40-1.<br /><br />Dirty....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-51550498201906407762011-04-14T14:40:38.308-04:002011-04-14T14:40:38.308-04:00I hope everybody reads that, buys it, and bets him...I hope everybody reads that, buys it, and bets him down to 2-1.Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-67317772152595652012011-04-14T14:32:22.105-04:002011-04-14T14:32:22.105-04:00Just in case you guys haven't heard yet:
http...Just in case you guys haven't heard yet:<br /><br />http://www.drf.com/news/uncle-mo-found-have-infection-still-headed-kentucky-derbyDiscreetPickshttp://www.DiscreetPicks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-10234597158099123952011-04-14T10:51:58.360-04:002011-04-14T10:51:58.360-04:00"Carrie, no horse has won the Derby without h..."Carrie, no horse has won the Derby without having at least one start at 2 since Apollo in 1882."<br /><br />I fully expect this stat to be blown out in the next ten years. It's meaningless in today's day and age. <br /><br />Regarding Mo, I don't understand who played down to 1-9 in the win pool. The show money I can understand on some level. I played the 6 at 40something to 1, a modest win bet, a bigger show bet, and underneath Mo in exactors and triples. My horse ran like shit. Either way, I'm not a fan of Pletcher at all. There has been a lot of smoke around the man in recent years and I feel as if he's gotten too big for his britches. It's a dirty game though, and I'm sure he's not alone.<br /><br />I like the way Elite Alex is coming into the Arky Derby. Nice inside draw so Borel can at least save ground into the first turn. Not sure he can catch the factor but I think he's certainly on the board this Saturday. -jpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-2831669091532090992011-04-14T10:10:34.435-04:002011-04-14T10:10:34.435-04:00sheesh--see paragraph two then cut and paste it i...sheesh--see paragraph two then cut and paste it into google and it will come right up.<br /><br />"Carrie, no horse has won the Derby without having at least one start at 2 since Apollo in 1882.<br /><br />Christy, as you pointed out, he's not nominated so he can't run unless they want to supplement him for a lot of money. Remember, he had been a big disappointment to them early on.<br /><br />Geronimo, according to my sources, he did have surgery after the Breeders' Cup. But that apparently was never made public.<br /><br />Regarding Comma to the Top, that is a discussion in my column tomorrow. In short, never believe trainers.<br />Steve Haskin 12 Apr 2011 4:17 AM"<br /><br />http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky-derby-dozen/archive/2011/04/11/derby-dozen-april-11-2011-presented-by-pauls-mill.aspx<br /><br />if you had done the control f search it would have led you right to haskin's confirmation in his reply to geronimo's post.<br /><br />i bet on the wood too, using my home track's odds--he was almost as low there, so what gives? one bridge jumper placing huge bets on mo all over the country? <br /><br />for the record, i didn't bet a dime, or lose a dime, on mo--i just have a this thing about scruples and transparency and fairness, and this smacks of a lack there of. <br /><br />that people get ripped off everyday, everywhere, and in every field, doesn't make it right. but if you have no problem with, fine--i do. we'll just have to agree to disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-33435458234780196342011-04-14T08:38:55.817-04:002011-04-14T08:38:55.817-04:00Alan's comment is attributed to a blogger, not...Alan's comment is attributed to a blogger, not Haskin, for the record.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-44251108084125493682011-04-14T08:37:14.655-04:002011-04-14T08:37:14.655-04:00"haskin at blood horse finally confirmed toda..."haskin at blood horse finally confirmed today in a reply to a post specifically asking about it."<br /><br />I am not seeking the rumor, plenty of those everywhere, I am seeking the above confirmation by Haskin, that would be meaningful.<br /><br />A horse opening at 1-9 does not indicate smart money from a bunch of big gamblers were fooled, it indicates one win pool bridge jumper, perhaps the owner or a friend thereof, make ONE huge wager early. <br /><br />This has been happening regularly again at NYRA, even on maiden claimers so nothing should be read into the fact that this horse was this price in this race.<br /><br />Lets just say I am skeptical that a surgery would be performed on a horse of this magnitude and be kept quiet. The stud argument holds no merit, no one in KY is going to penalize this horse if he had a chip in his knee. <br /><br />And Repole is not in this for syndication money, he does not need the cash and already announced this horse would run at 4 if he won the Derby.<br /><br />Silly argument, it is 1-9 this horse has not had surgery.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-43530753269074595682011-04-14T03:04:27.447-04:002011-04-14T03:04:27.447-04:00None of Mo's connections has validated/substan...None of Mo's connections has validated/substantiated anything that has been rumored, even from a so-called anonymous vet that Haskin may have "spoken" with. interviewers from the Paulick Report spoke directly to the Publicist (Publicist? What horse ever had a publicist? Is he a political candidate? Is he running for a government office?), a direct question about whether Mo had a surgical procedure performed, while he was in Florida? Ray Paulick reported that the Publicist did not give a direct answer. Yep, Mo must be running for office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-9648811507059089772011-04-13T23:18:30.154-04:002011-04-13T23:18:30.154-04:00it's right above geronimo's post:
This no...it's right above geronimo's post:<br /><br /><i>This normally spells soundness issues. And, wouldn't you know it? According to an anonymous Vet who works at a Florida Equine Center, UM had surgery to clear away bone fragments from a swollen joint (THAT is what really went on during Mo's Florida vacation). He has not come back as expected and the surgery was VERY hush hush.<br /><br />It was kept secret because they felt all the hoopla might distract from the horse's recovery. And, he was the Derby buzz horse.<br /><br />It is time for Pletcher and Repole to man up if this anonymous Vet is speaking the truth and this indeed is what happened. The truth has a way of getting out, although many racing blogs will not let you post it. The public would be much more forgiving of Mo, and it would explain the kid gloves and the tepid and spaced breezes the horse has received. Not only is he struggling with soundness issues, he is not fit enough, and at this juncture he would needs Larry Jones, not Mr. Easy Does It Pletcher.</i>Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-74957437150254855522011-04-13T18:57:40.233-04:002011-04-13T18:57:40.233-04:00Anon 12:53
I followed your path and found nothing...Anon 12:53<br /><br />I followed your path and found nothing like what you said. There is a post at that time and geronimo 2123 but no discussion of surgery or anything wrong. What's the deal?steve in nchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04061356872686618093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-37406124931781458042011-04-13T13:49:25.630-04:002011-04-13T13:49:25.630-04:00Even assuming that some in the backstretch knew th...Even assuming that some in the backstretch knew that something wasn't 100% right with Uncle Mo in the days, weeks or even months preceding the race, so what? This happens all the time in racing. If you don't like that aspect, stop playing. It also happens all the time in other sports.El Angelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14145024095815950963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-71940351085625598882011-04-13T12:53:34.094-04:002011-04-13T12:53:34.094-04:00as requested:
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kent...as requested:<br /><br />http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky-derby-dozen/archive/2011/04/11/derby-dozen-april-11-2011-presented-by-pauls-mill.aspx<br /><br />do control f and search for "geronimo2123"<br /><br />you'll see the question in that post.<br /><br />haskin's answer and confirmation is dated 12 april 2011 at 4:17am (if you did the search, it's the next hit under "geronimo," just press the down arrow and it should pop right up.<br /><br />alan, not sure i follow why the witholding of the information wouldn't have contributed to him being bet down to 1-9--if he was a enron, it would be crystal clear wouldn't it? <br /><br />mo was an artificial "bubble" on the tote board, if people had known he had had surgery on top of his weird training and prepping (or lack there of), do you still think he would have been bet down to 1-9? he skewed the market.<br /><br />serious horseplayers try not to bet chalk, but they probably still had him in their exactas, tris, and supers. there weren't enough once- in-a-year-general-public-gamblers at the wood that day to have bet him down so low on their own, so that means that a significant number of experienced gambler's lost money on that horse--do you think haskin bet on him, knowing what he knew, even though he's been touting the horse as the second coming of jesus christ all year? what about the other "reporters"?<br /><br />there are other reasons as well of course to keep it under wraps--to artificially boost his stud value, for one by keeping his soundness issues secret--but the most immediate effect has been to manipulate the odds on the races he has been in and in the future pools for the KY derby.<br /><br />at least that's the way it seems to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-59114620121968614412011-04-13T08:34:10.037-04:002011-04-13T08:34:10.037-04:00anon 439 can you link those uncle mo comments, i g...anon 439 can you link those uncle mo comments, i googled but could not find any specific confirmation by haskin, just a repeat of the rumors of unsoundness.<br /><br />in any case, by sunday i think by 37-1 future wager on Santiva is going to look like value.<br /><br />And Astrology at 50-1 is not horrible, I liked his return, although it falls under the radar because it occurred in NM.<br /><br />Not that I bet a lot, but at least they should make the gate and give me some action.Figlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-36996641707974418332011-04-12T17:31:31.698-04:002011-04-12T17:31:31.698-04:00I wish I could book Haskin and Drape's action....I wish I could book Haskin and Drape's action.<br /><br />A lot of paranoia and not much substance. The Uncle Mo " rumors " were all over the place and have been for a VERY long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-60903421658532468372011-04-12T16:43:53.502-04:002011-04-12T16:43:53.502-04:00^^great post, thanks. that would certainly explai...^^great post, thanks. that would certainly explain a lot....though not, as you say, why that information would be withheld from the public which bet the horse down to 1-9.Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-35914922366067021102011-04-12T16:39:44.733-04:002011-04-12T16:39:44.733-04:00i would strongly suggest you reconsider betting on...i would strongly suggest you reconsider betting on uncle mo period. those of us here in florida knew something was up--there had been a rumor for a while down here that he had had an unreported surgery sometime around december or january, and that was why the kid glove treatment and the cream puff prep schedule and the poor training. he didn't come out of the surgery the same horse. haskin at blood horse finally confirmed today in a reply to a post specifically asking about it. TBH i'm really surprised haskin finally let the question see the light of day. i had also tried to warn people off of THAS, anyone who saw him in person here knew something was wrong with him, but everything i'd try to post at blood horse, either shandler or haskin would refuse to post--same with the uncle mo surgery rumors. the game is fixed boys, those with insider information are also allowed to bet on the races and horses they report on. in any other field that would be illegal but horse players are a bunch of chumps, so who cares i know right? maybe drape's reportage of the wood can be explained by his having known that uncle mo was washed up from the surgery just like haskin did, but unlike haskin maybe drape has a conscience and couldn't stomach the lie anymore? at least drape isn't allowed to bet on the horses he covers (officially at least) due to an ethics clause in his nytimes contract.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-35147546083695508832011-04-12T16:31:22.133-04:002011-04-12T16:31:22.133-04:00>>Keep believing it'll be worth playing ...>>Keep believing it'll be worth playing Mo is less. <br /><br />If you're trying to imply that I'm thinking of betting on Uncle Mo, I wouldn't play him with your money, not off that effort. I also totally disagree with your analysis of Toby Corner's trip. He saved ground on both turns, which made up for any trouble he might have had in my opinion. One good thing I'd say is that he got good experience running in traffic.Alan Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570505944559196118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8711985.post-81568768154921219572011-04-12T16:12:36.231-04:002011-04-12T16:12:36.231-04:00Toby's Corners only had to steady numerous tim...Toby's Corners only had to steady numerous times down the backstretch. Castro couldn't get him outside, and ended up backing up to last at the top of the backstretch. Castro stayed on the rail coming up to the stretch, found a seam, and angled out and then, angled back in. He had unquestionably, one of the toughest trips in the race, if not the toughest. The only fraction he gets credit for is the last eighth, in my book and that was sub-12 seconds. Keep your head in the sand Alan. Keep believing it'll be worth playing Mo is less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com